Talk:Condescension of Celestial Master/@comment-16894369-20180706130929

The Ultimate itself might seem a bit strange for newer players (for having a lot of moderately high defense enemies with % shields), but this used to be absurdly difficult.

Many old players got stuck on R2 four years ago (2014). For me, that was when I only played for 4 months. I tried dual Pisces but failed when I was unable to kill R2, and PR Frejyr failed as I barely survived R3 but was unable to beat R4 and R5. Back in the days, 150k and 300k defense is difficult to break, and the most popular ways are using PR Verdandi or using an active skill ignoring defense (such as Fire paladin, Light or Dark Ethereal dragon, etc.)

If putting this stage to the perspective, the initial difficulty used to be almost the equivalent of "Nightmare" in modern terms.